Success·CareersBillionaire Epic CEO Judy Faulkner built her $5.7 billion-a-year software firm in a basement.
She says not getting an MBA was a ‘really good thing’By Preston ForeBy Preston ForeStaff Writer, EducationPreston ForeStaff Writer, EducationPreston Fore is a reporter at Fortune, covering education and personal finance for the Success team.SEE FULL BIO As Gen Z questions the values of degrees, Epic CEO Judy Faulkner has never been a fan of MBAs—and built a billion-dollar without one.Rick Friedman/rickfriedman.com/Corbis via Getty ImagesAs Gen Z questions the values of degrees, Epic’s billionaire CEO Judy Faulkner has never been a fan of MBAs—and built a $5.7 billion-a-year software giant without one.
Un Apple CEO Tim Cook or General Motors CEO Mary Barra who att school, the 82-year-old charted her own path, including establishing 10 “commandments” a directive to never IPO or sell.
With recent graduates struggling to land jobs and the best schools charging in excess of $150,000 for a degree, it’s left Gen Z’s aspiring leaders questioning more than ever the value of going back to school.
For Epic Systems CEO Judy Faulkner, CEO of Epic Systems, whose software powers many of the U.S.’s top hospitals, the answer is simple: a graduate degree may have done more harm than good.
“I never got an MBA, which I think is a really good thing,” Faulkner recently told CNBC. “They would have taught me, ‘Here’s how you do venture capital.’ We didn’t do it.
‘Here’s how you go public.’ We didn’t do it. ‘Here’s how you do budgets.’ We don’t have budgets. We say, if you need it, buy it.
If you don’t need it, don’t buy it.” While the 82-year-old’s leadership style may sound unconventional, it has worked wonders for her that she first started in her Wisconsin basement in 1979.
Epic now rakes in an estimated $5.7 billion in annual revenue and has pelled Faulkner’s net worth to over $7.8 billion.
Her secret to learning the ropes of management still included reading books and taking multiday courses, but she’s just never a blind er.
In fact, Faulkner even established her own set of principles, known as Epic’s 10 commandments, that are plastered all over the company’s sprawling 1,670-acre campus.
They include “do not go public,” “do not acquire or be acquired,” and “software must work.” CEOs are divided on the value of school While demand for school is on the rise—a trend often seen in conjunction with economic uncertainty— leaders have long placed their doubts on whether the skills taught in the classroom are worth it.
In fact, the richest person in the world, billionaire Elon Musk, has said that there are too many school graduates running corporate America.
“I think there may be too many MBAs running companies,” Musk previously told the Wall Street Journal. “There’s the MBA-ization of America, which I think is maybe not that great.
There should be more focus on the duct or service itself, less time on board meetings, less time on financials.” And he’s not alone.
Billionaire and former Shark Tank star Mark Cuban has called getting an MBA “overrated.” PayPal cofounder Peter Thiel said he doesn’t hiring MBA graduates due to them mostly being “high extrovert/low conviction people.” However, if you’re eager to in the footsteps of top leaders the s of Apple CEO Tim Cook, General Motors CEO Mary Barra, and JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, school might be in your future.
After all, over 40% of all Fortune 1000 chief executives have obtained an MBA. Ultimately, the choice to attend a gram comes down to one’s own personal goals.
Barra said her experience at Stanford’s Graduate School of helped her cultivate an everlasting “learning mindset.” “My experiences on campus changed my life and accelerated my career.
They prepared me to manage and, ultimately, to lead,” she said in 2024. Introducing the 2025 Fortune Global 500, the definitive ranking of the biggest companies in the world. Explore this year's list.